They should have been talked to later. Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. After 2nd child, changed. She was not drinking while pregnant! @Karen did she get dressed for bed, or did she simply take of her jeans, throw off her flip-flops and decide to settle down for a couple of hours sleep wearing the bra, panties and t-shirt that she arrived home in? She strangled them.. Mechanical compression with blood vessels in the neck (as in a Stranglehold) causes a reduction in oxygenation of the brain, leading to cerebral hypoxia/ischaemia, anaerobic metabolism, and acidaemia/acidosis (similar to the effects of cardiac arrest on the brain (Longstreth 2001). in any case, who the hell trusts anything coming from Chris Watts? He knew immediately Watts was guilty as well as the neighbor viewing the camera. Look up alcohol levels in postmortem state. Cause if it was the way CW said she would have fought back. @Lisa if shed already died she would have not been engaged in the act of strangling her like he said. YES! He also said he didnt know where they were and he thought they were coming back. Hope he has a wonderful time rotting and thinking about what hes done to his family. Her neck muscles had been bruised and the manner of death was deemed a homicide. This was filmed during the police officers body cam footage. Jami, doesnt make sense. Its a matter of body position. This whole thing is terrible. I would put the blame on Chris! Once Shanann got in bed and settled to sleep, he then got on her and, like a snake, squeezed the life out of his prey. Then probably went to bed & I guarantee he was in their bed not in the basement & this made her happy. You can see it in his eyes. Thats all information in police interviews with Shananns friends. As far as the BAC goes, it had been over 100 hours from the estimated time of death to when the samples were taken at autopsy. Explains why Shanann didnt fight back. Ive not discussed it here though, its in the books. While I agree MLM is 100% a pyramid scheme and bad news and that the long term use of their products probably do more harm than good (e.g. I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. I lived with one. If you cant respect others in their opinions and input, youre definitely not intelligent. The floors in the closets had a lot of junk on them, her nightstand drawer was a mess. Shanann was found in a shallow grave at an oil site near the drums. Esophagus: .. Typo. The breast get sore , and large during pregnancy, and for me at least, it was more comfortable to have them supported and padded. Areas of bruising, internal. I have a question. It was on an automatic answering thing. He was asleep. The girls were described as light sleepers, and I wonder if this was because in fact they were sleeping too much, because wow, that is a lot of sleep, even for their ages. In his story he goes downstairs & hears commotion goes into the bedroom & sees Bella on her bed with covers off & then Shannan on top of CeCe. Why else would he go there with 3 bodies? In the majority of cases of asphyxiation, petechiae are formed, and Shanann exhibited none. Thanks for the paper, ganana Im with you on this. He would have had more than enough access to ethanol or similar alcohols. Like someone took over his body. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished Caucasian female whose appearance is generally consistent with the He was an operator for Anadarko. etc. I do believe that she may have been the one who smothered the children because she was so controlling, according to friends and family, that she didnt want another woman around her kids. Can anyone comment about the oil content in the one childs stomach? Thankyou. They are The People Of The Lie. (Scott Peck). You can argue till the cows come home and all you end up arguing is that she could be in any non-specific place in the house. Talk to first reponders or health care workers. If thats the case I cant figure where else they would have been at that time. I think thats what she did (shed had an extra 3 hours of airport to be rid of!) She was always busy. He said the blood alcohol is normal after you die. I love the way people just make things up and state it as fact, even when it completely opposes evidence in the case. Gallstones form over a period of time, raised hormone levels in pregnancy contribute to them. She hurt my kids., Chris said, Theyre in a freakin oil tank. Debbie do you have a link to that 411 Documentary please? Even with Bella, no screaming brain said , this is your Bella!! I remember reading as part of the Scott Peterson murder investigation that they found traces of fecal matter in the carpet (which had been cleaned) in a downstairs hallway, I think, but I just looked around and couldnt find anything, so I must have mis-remembered. With ShanAnn, IF she was attacked and killed shortly after she arrived home, while still downstairs, she would have still been dressed her underwear and pants would have caught it. I own this site, and have posted hundreds of blogs, and written 4 books on the Watts case. The basement had everything in plastic bins all labeled & neatly stacked. It doesn't appear that the autopsy did a very thorough check. If the digestive tract opens up at death, where did Shannan, Bella and Celeste poop? She said on one video her kitchen has to be very clean, I know people that have spotless kitchens but rest of house is a mess. First of all- the digestive tract is long. Maintaining compression in a Stranglehold after unconsciousness is rendered may result in death. through the skin in heated arguments which are undetectable to the human nose in the same way attraction pheromones are undetectable to our noses ). I dont think I know everything, but I do know more about this case than most. He knew now that he had to kill Shanann because she would find out. Chris is a monster. Take Jodi Arias she lured him into a shower and made sure she was armed and he was naked, vulnerable and unsuspecting when she attacked him. Every detail was wrong for them as a couple and as a family. First off lets not forget it was only after Chris failed the polygraph & then they said its time to come clean & Chris first said I had an affair, Ive been cheating on my wife, so I hurt her emotionally thats why its saying I lied. The toxicology results likely represent decomposition and an artifact of being submerged in an oil tank for several days. True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek. In the first half of this demo, you have them face to face when the attack occurs. I know, Im a survivor of strangulation. B . Ella no tomaba ni la basura tampoco, lo dijo la nana de las bebs. However, the autopsy does not detail the size or spacing of these marks sufficiently to form an educated opinion. Nickole called Chris several times and he kept giving different arrival times. Hopefully, one day we will know the whole truth of what was really going on in the lives of this tragic family; will one of the villains turn out to be MLM? It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. Hes a piece of crap but make no mistake, they would be alive if not for Shannan. read befor comment on subjectit is well describedecomposition did this. Im sure he didnt want any questions from her or to talk about anything. So Shananns OCD personality stopped that night? Shannan wasnt answering phone calls or text and missed her doctors appointment. I just dont understand this. http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, But Celeste didnt have oil her stomach. Jeremy Lindstromwondered if Shananns OCD and honey-do lists had gotten to Chris. Police reportsPhotos of the Watts family in the police reports. Thankyou Nick for all your studies, research and insights. How dare you blame the victim? She left him a note the morning she left for Arizona and it was very loving & positive. This was the 6th MLM that ShanAnn had been involved in she was apparently a MLM junkie. I was writing in a passion. He said he didnt hurt Shannan just as much, Ive read all the transcripts. If we can believe his scenario, that also sounds like Shannn wasnt trying to kill her daughter like Chris thought, which meant neither of them killed her which leaves someone who must have entered the home by using an access code that wouldnt trip the alarm and I wonder who that might be ((cough*mistress*cough)) if Chriss scenario is correct of course! She even labelled food in her kitchen. How was she with her phone? That is what this whole thing boils down to, Chris not wanting a divorce for the simple fact of having to pay child support on 3 kids. And she clearly WANTED the best for them, and she was still learning. His integrity shows through all the time. Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. There are no words . C . I am of the opinion that: Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was forced brutally into the oil tank, and her injuries were sustained during this push. Before I forget one glaring mistake in the Discovery by the CBI when they did the forensic search they said they checked for traces of blood where the cadaver dogs had indicated, including the top of the basement stairs near the mudroom. Chris Watts strangled and smothered his pregnant wife Shanann, 34, to death, before strangling their daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, with a blanket in 2018. However, prosecutors maintained that Watts killed his pregnant wife and the two girls, and eventually he pleaded guilty to the crimes. The DA explained that it is due to decomposition and the body breaking down. I havent seen one statement from anyone who knew her well say she did. DENVER (CBS4) The district attorney in Weld County says the autopsy reports are complete for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters found dead at . Rossen et al 1943 states that loss of consciousness occurs in five to eleven seconds where there has been carotid and vertebral artery compression. I worry he may have had the girls dead and sprawled out waiting for her to come home and watched her reaction from the baby monitor. @Karen. His mom I think knew about it prior. Then he asks to talk to his dad. Could Bellas mouth injuries have occurred postmortem when he shoved her through the hatch? Theres another case that does involve a murder by a husband on a bed, through manual strangulation, and they found small drops of his and her blood on the sheets, as well as traces of her feces elsewhere in the room. Back? So she wasnt in rigor at the home and was likely just starting to show signs while he was burrying her at the site. Watts at first tried to claim that when he told Shanann he wanted a separation, she killed their daughters. Infuriating! I believe he killed her while she was sleeping, would have been easy to trap her arms under covers. 2. Did you have to cover something up for Shannan? She didnt nick him in the neck, that mark was not from her nails. ~KSmallz. I believe she was probably sleeping when he smothered her. They were out of town and it was still spotless. Again, less bad publicity for LeVel. Chris Watts attacked her from behind, his left hand around her throat and his right hand covering her mouth and nose. I dont think she ever went into the master bedroom that night. He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. He just didnt want another baby. She was calling him honey, and being all lovey dovey in her messages to him all weekend. His aversion to it is so blatant, and its obvious why. That is what is difficult; without a trial we have no way of knowing all the forensic evidence and what tests the state started to perform or did perform. Because she was submerged in oil for four days. I wouldnt throw that out the window. What about rigormortis?. 53 102 comments sorted by New Add a Comment Prior to taking the test he was asked a bunch of questions one of them was name some ways you could make somebody disappear. A monster! Before I became a police officer- I was an EMT and I worked for 8 months for a company that transports dead bodies from where they die to funeral homes or the medical examiner. Stranglehold Theory. Your thoughts? So wheres the problem here? Everyone tho he was great guy. They were invited by Shannans family to attend the funerals and did not even show. No evidence of cake or undigested dinner. Have you interviewed anyone for your books? & he says ah um like yeah theres that too & sort of skips right over it. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. The Watts family killings and the financial devastation, infidelity, and what appears on the videos as a mindless neglect of the children overlay all these sad accounts. This is horrific, shocking, my mind is greatly troubled by this aspect. Terrifying to think he could have put them in the tanks still alive but incapacitated. Time needed to cause petechiae is; Fifteen to thirty seconds (Anscombe and Knight 1996); Ten to thirty seconds (Plattner et al 2005); Fifteen seconds maximum (Copley & Kozam 1951) using the capillary fragility test; Shortly after gravity inversion in healthy individuals (Friberg & Weinreb 1985) Those were my kids. He claimed he saw Shanann on top of Cece and that they were blue. He said he lost it and choked Shanann. No traces of fecal material found, but in the Rohde case there were fecal traces. No sign of that either. They obviously didnt watch the K9 body cam footage! Its actually not uncommon. We know that she went to her office and attempted to order haircare products, and in the welfare check footage you can clearly see a large dark blanket on the sofa, and two small pink chair beds by the side of the sofa. Wow, you are really reaching here. Shanann was in there with her on top of her. In the autopsy Shannan was found to be still wearing a bra. (RJ Sangosti/The Denver Post via AP, Pool) Autopsy reports released Monday afternoon reveal in the greatest detail so far what, exactly, Christopher Watts pleaded guilty to, and why he'll serve the rest of his life in prison.The reports for Watts' pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3; show Watts killed his . It may interest people to see how MLM companies such as Thrive, train their customers and promoters in Time and Management and Organisational skills, both of which can be classified as OCD behaviours to an untrained eye. What do you think about the 8 inch thief hatch, and the narrowest section of Ceecees hips being 9.5 inches, according to the autopsy? From what I can understand of the facts in this case- there were no scratches to Chris. They were smothered. What are the odds???? No, ONE fully-formed, perfect adult and TWO fully-formed, perfect BABIES. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, their unborn child, and their two children, Celeste and Bella, ages 4 and 3. Its more likely the complete opposite. *** Wearing a bra to bed is in fact QUITE common with busty women**. But its tough watching some of them, and at times I felt awful for all of themand the girls clearly did not want to be on camera while Shannan clearly wanted them TO be on camera. He knew right where to thump her neckher surgical site. I believe the frenulum injury could be explained from the process of stuffing her head through the thief hatch post mortem it was a tight squeeze with the larger child. She was organized but that is not OCD, same as me. When youre pregnant you do, breasts get tender and the extra support helps. Please explain. In terms of your comments about respect, you clearly have no respect for my work. I actually have been turned upside down by this murder, and through watching over 42 hours of video, have grown to love and admire Shannan! Do you think she was murdered elsewhere? Quick as law enforcement were to respond to the crime, by the time they recovered the remains of the two little girls, they had been chemical altered beyond recognition. Chokeholds and Strangleholds are used in martial arts, combat sports, self-defence, law enforcement and in military hand to hand combat applications. So what Was his motivation for that? That seems to have been nothing but getting manicures, shopping, and making videos. Of course we dont know what shes talking about. From their text messages & hers to friends you can tell he was trying to make her believe they had a chance & things were getting better. The entire thing is one of the worst cases Ive ever heard of- and I think about those poor responders who retrieved the bodies May they find peace from those memories some day soon. smother someone with your bare handscover/press their nostrils and mouths. https://youtu.be/U8fe6Ckeh5A?t=210. Dont forget, she is pregnant. PLEASE know, all of these words are helping me to work through an event that is really messing with my head. Did anyone explain that? @Carol: OCD appears at least 5 times in the Discovery Documents. Heres another: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-11-23-susan-rohde-sustained-too-many-injuries-to-hang-herself-pathologist/. Will we ever know the order in which they were killed? A history of this procedure could easily go unnoticed during an autopsy. 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