Singer and other producers (Savage has been observed). GI#: 102214907. The size, position and style of font are particular to the Hollands application. They may or may not have the serial stamped into the front part of the fore-end and in the case of the Australian Lithgows it may be stamped into the butt as well. Over the years I have received many emails regarding serial numbers. Advertisements. The little safety spring has a Long Branch stamp,the front sight protector was made by the Singer Sewing Machine Co.,the magazine follower was made by Savage. No. However, the Rijkswacht (Gendarmerie) used the No. Qty 1 This updated and expanded edition also has a ready model identification chapter and colour plates. The left side receiver wall has the "angled transition" (just below the ejector screw) which is a Savage (rather than British-made) feature, so its one or the other of the New World manufacturers, but I don't know if Long Brach also did the same thing? British infantry rifle Lee -Enfield No.4 Mark 1 of WW2. According to Skennerton, more than 2 million Mk. 1 Rifle in 1926that had served with . It has been consistently observed but no reason or original documentation found to support it. This article, "Exploded View: Lee-Enfield No. Don(B3)RAOC Primary Pack. The butt stock itself is a n early war Sykes Limited Normal length piece - much like the original it replaced. 1 rifle), but changes were made to the. II* (pronounced: number four, mark two, star) was a further simplified version, with the socket and blade two separate forgings. Following World War II, Fazakerley was the only factory that continued manufacturing the Enfield No. For more than two centuries, Westley Richards has produced some of the worlds finest firearms, each wearing a timeless and classic look with bespoke flourishes. 210.00. The No. (2) Canadian No. They remained in use with select weapon platforms - the P14T / No3T as its name was changed) through to WW2. For example, No. Apart from the markings as stated above, you should take note of the woodwork. 1* is functionally the same as the Mk.1, but various changes were made in the design to make the manufacturing process faster. Howard & Bullough converted from the manufacture of cotton spinning machines to the production of shells, gun carriages, mine sinkers, aircraft components, and bayonets. The No. The tab measures 4.75in. 4 Mk. Unfired and as clean and bright as the day it was born in the Fazakerley Royal Ordnance Factory in Liverpool in 1954. The rifle pictured here is a No. So if you have a genuine Maltby T - it was converted in 1941 and a little into 1942 at H&H while stocks lasted - typically Maltby "Ts" are nearly always 1941 dated - a 1942 example that is genuine has yet to be documented. The demand of new ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle's has risen 6 units over the past 12 months. Socket: "No. II* bayonets. be forewarned, Spike Fever is contagious! BO 12151 (the five digit no. No fluff here is the real guff on the #4 mk1 : No4 MkI - All About Enfields and another Britains Lee Enfield No 4 Rifle - History By Cammack happy reading ,Try find a British made one you know its going to be far better than some copy from over the water Broadarrow Well-Known Member Oct 30, 2018 #7 ''Parkerised'' Long branch nO 4 Socket: "No 4 Mk II" over "S" and "B 75" over "1455". One of the recent Pakistani surplus releases featured a range of No4T and their replacement parts - now circulating in European, Australian and USA markets. These were the last No. Early blued steel mouthpiece marked: "No. II*, with approximately 84,566 reported produced from 19431945. by Saxon Cross 22 Mar 2012, 21:45, Post All matching numbers. 0000002083 00000 n The rifle was dated 1942 and a lot of the No 4 and some No 1 SMLEs issued to South Africa was eventually sold to the SAP agencies then onto the surplus market. or Best Offer. The pictures at left illustrate some of the forging marks. AA5081 is the stores catalogue number. Home Articles Guns & Parts Suppressors Optics & Thermals Ammunition Gear News & Opinion Columns Museums & Factory Tours ID Guides Interviews Event Coverage Articles by Issue Volume 1 V1N1 (Oct 1997) V1N2 (Nov 1997) V1N3 (Dec 1997) V1N4 (Jan 1998) 4 Mk. Forging subcontractor marks tend to be very deeply struck. Recent research by Graham Priest determined that "TRM.1", "TRM.2", and "TRM 3" identify the Tinsley Rolling Mills Co. Ltd. of Sheffield. Quote Reply Topic: No4 Mk1* identification help . Prince-Smith used four different markings: Howard & Bullough Co. of Accrington, Lancashire, was one of the smaller makers of the No. With the exception of Russia, socket bayonets had long gone out of fashion in modern armies. Being a Mk1* we knew that though. The "S" was added to indicate the need for this re-zeroing as a subsequent step. II* its characteristic stepped join between blade and socket. N56 (not pictured). Not too mention it looks better with the walnut furniture over the birch. That`s a No4 Mk1* made by Savage for England in the days of WW 2. II bayonets during 1941 and 1942. Your serial No. You're probably going to have to "infer" its origins from things like proof marks. They did not add the serial number of the rifle to the second butt stock edge, nor the S51 mark to the wrist - this Hollands work is not recognized as required for continued service in those parts. Here is a Hoyt marked MT&B Co made USA 1907 leather sling produced in 1918 which are thought to have made up the contingent of these WW1 supply / shipments. They are tight barrels. 0000002861 00000 n This "last-ditch" SMLE was manufactured in 1943, and it has all the signs of a wartime firearm made in the throws of desperation. First debuted in November 1895 as the .303 calibre, Rifle, Magazine, Lee-Enfield, the rifle has still found use today in military, sporting and ceremonial roles - over one hundred years since its inception in its original form. 0000001961 00000 n One influence in the selection of Singer was that Scotland was felt to be safer from German bombers than England. This is not to say that Enfield serial numbers provide no information or that they are not an interesting subject. It was published in 2007, available now from Aust., N.Z., US and UK distributors. The other makers were much less prolific. Our Price: 295.00: Gunner Points: 29: Stock Info: 1 In Stock: Parker Hale 8/53 Lee Enfield No4 rear sight (PH1) . wide at the extremes. PS over K inside a circle (pictured at left) Four mouthpiece materials have been documented: Zinc Alloy (Mazak), Steel, Aluminum, and brass. British No4 rifles were set up with a 5 digit serial number system with 1XXXX being allotted to Maltby, 2XXXX Fazakerley, 3XXXX BSA Shirley. Early No4 rifles were produced with the micrometer sight by the rifle manufacturer (Enfield Lock - "E over D" for the Trials rifles). 1) A white "37" painted on the stock. The labelling indicates that this No. To ensure its the real deal and war period production, what should one look for? This also disbursed production, mitigating the risk of production being interrupted by bombing. During refurbishment the bulk of German markings were scrubbed (although some waffenampts are still present and evidence of markings being removed is clear), further the original . Based on serial numbers observed, approximately 35,000 No. The example pictured at left also carries the Canadian "broad arrow" mark, indicating acceptance into Canadian service. In the future, with a bit of luck, i should be a position to purchase an active Lee Enfield No 4. Apr 25, 2010 #2 Threeband The M1 Does My Talking 4Mk. 2" over "Bg" over Crown-JF proofmark over "5171". When the No4T was conceived the cheek piece was transferred / continued. Fazakerley also continued to produce the rifle for foreign contracts after the war. 0000002767 00000 n and N74 - sometimes both in the same instance (pus inspection / receiving marks). 4 rifles and bayonets after Belgium was liberated in September 1944. The factory was built by working around the clock during 1942 and was provided with capstans, drilling and milling machines, centre lathes, a steel-hardening and processing plant, and a centre-less grinding machine. Most of these seem to have been released / imported in the 1980s. III was the final, and crudest, form of the No. Some of these rifles seemed to have laid in stores until the end of the war and then they and and the remains of the BSA marks were furiously converted to "T" status by H&H while the contract lasted. I will continue to add additional variants as I acquire additional pieces. 0000002950 00000 n This No. 4 Mk. The Belgians received Lee-Enfield No. The No. The Crown Corporation Small Arms Ltd., Long Branch, Ontario, Canada, made approximately 910,000 No. 4Mk. These war time sling swivels were made by Hollands and are typically browned steel. Essentially both types of sling present 3 loops, to form a better control on the stance with the firearm to hold and return to a sighting zero (natural point of aim) - I have personally experienced this in CMP competitions, where sling use during rapid fire is essential. 0000002206 00000 n The, The very first Maltbys and BSA's produced their own and used the associated early marks for each (large B for BSA, stylized M for Maltby). . The longer bolt heads are worth significantly more than the shorter ones and are considerably harder to find. Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. The British MoD was running short of scope brackets and cheek pieces as it started the L42 service extension program so new surplus examples are rare on the ground. The Lee Enfield by Ian Skennerton (2007) - ISBN: 9780949749826 . Production occurred during the latter half of 1941 and into the early months of 1942. 5 will have "Rifle No 5 Mk I" electrostencilled there, [20] while a post-war conversion will generally have either no markings or markings from manufacturers who did not make the No. 4 bayonet. The bayonet exhibits better finishing than most British No. These specific letter prefixes were assigned to ROF Fazakerley and BSA Shirley, the only two manufacturers of the No5 rifle, this ensured that there would be no duplicate serials during the production run of No5s. Mid Band - This fabricated example is marked for S126 (C.E. The used value of an ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle has fallen ($5.68) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $600.00 . Entrenching tool with helve (handle) that accepts the No. I've been privileged to shoot Lee-Enfield rifles before and have always found them to be worthy of their reputation as well built, accurate rifles. The number actually produced is believed to be 250,000. The used value of an ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle has fallen ($61.94) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $563.89 . This Mossberg 26B bolt-action rifle in .22 caliber belonged to my dad, Robert Elmo Babington. 30,000 rod forgings. The leather belt frog is of unknown origin. They would apply this mark to th butt heel - running along the axis of the rifle - red with the muzzle on the left. II* bayonets. Genuine early, When the war expedient models were produced (initially with the "L" flip sight, then those selected for conversion to T status had to have the rear sight replaced with a modified micrometer sight (H&H indicated this had been done by stamping the "S" on the front of the right receiver wall ( this happened to most, but not all!) Here we have a scopeless and virtually unfired 1944 No4T on the left and two heavily reworked "sportster" T's (the middle professionally done by Sante Fe) and an American surplus "bubba" on the right. 4 Mk. 1 Mk. The most common of these were: XP was used for the Shortened and Lightened Australian Lithgow (No6 Jungle Carbine) rifles, A was used for No1 MkVI trail rifles, BS was used on the British No7 small bore rifles, and T1 for the No5 small bore rifles. This rifle retained most of the overall design feature of the earlier model, including the 30 barrel length. II made at LongBranch in Canada. I rifle, the No. Scabbard (frog stud): "Bg" over Crown-JF proofmark. You can build more Battery Ammo and .303 at the Chem bench. %%EOF Top to bottom an . Markings: The left side of the stock collar is marked "14C2827 / S /1942" and with a flaming bomb proof. [QUOTE=Twodogs]My Long Branch No4 Mk1* has the "angled Transition". Mine only have the serial number (single letter, five numbers) on the butt socket. Bayonet According to Skennerton, these scabbards were most likely made in North America, either the USA or Canada. 10,203. III (substitute) scabbard with parallel sides and oval frog stud. The first photo below is of a Hollands installed cheek piece on a 1944 scopeless rifle - its position, form and fit is per the as-new standard. Quantity: 2 ea. This symbol is similar to the Australian Defence Dept. The Savage-Stevens plant in Chicopee Falls was where New England Westinghouse produced Mosin-Nagant M1891 rifles in 19151917 under contract to the Imperial Russian government. 4 (T) 303 BRITISH SNIPER RIFLE 1944 . 4Mk. The No 4, Mk I* Lee-Enfield: Introduction - YouTube 0:00 / 22:26 Introduction The No 4, Mk I* Lee-Enfield: Introduction britishmuzzleloaders 83.5K subscribers Subscribe 10K 598K views. Stock No: 7B/546 The U.S.M5 scabbard was made by Beckwith Manufacturing Co. of Dover, New Hampshire. Cheek Piece and Screws - The birch / beech / walnut cheek piece design and material specification were first developed for the No3T - the scoped Pattern '14 rifles. 4Mk. 4 Mk 1 was made only in America and Canada and featured an additional simplification omitting two parts and some machining operations that allowed the bolt to be removed from the receiver by aligning the bolt head perfectly with a gap in its guide slot along the side of the receiver. If it has a lateral screw through the back of the forend, it is either a post war production Mk.2, or an earlier mark that has been rebuilt. 5 mm. The prefixes were assigned as follows: A, B, C, D, E, F, G, L, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T ,U, V, W, Y ,Y, Z, AA, AB, AC. I Mk. Very good 5 groove barrel. The rifle was a No. Enfield MK1 S.M.L.E.303 British 24' barrel 1905 production This. 4 Mk. Call us toll free: +1 888-744-0066. 4 spike bayonet was the result of a 20 year series of studies, experiments, and troop trials seeking to find a lighter, handier substitute for the venerable Pattern 1907 bayonet. The very early contracts at Holland and Holland for T conversion included selected rifles from Savage, Longbranch, Maltby and BSA (a single Fazakerley example has been documented @ 2020) - this was too much variation for the conversion process to be efficient and by early 1942 only BSA rifles were to be converted. Both bayonet and scabbard are serial numbered. Up Next we have a Lend-Lease Agreement Lee Enfield No.4 MK1 Rifle Chambered in .303 Brit, And this Rifle is in Excell. You must be rich. 4 Mk. <]>> The tooling is rough, the bayonet is little more than a . Popularly known as the "Victory Plastics" scabbard, it was unique in design compared to all other No. Ltd. (pictured at left) No4 Mk1 - DP - A safety lesson 2012: A DP marked rifle fired without first being completely dismantled or inspected after purchase by a new owner. The bolt heads are marked 0, 1, 2, or 3. The left side of the receiver is marked "NO 4 MK 1*". Baird Engineering Company of Belfast, Northern Ireland, produced approximately 101,103 bayonets from 19421944. Although touted as having many advantages over the Pattern 1907, the No. Accuracy: * * * * * The easiest way to identify a "Jungle Carbine" rifle is to look for the markings on the left hand side of the receiver; a genuine No. Commercially, in the United States, these rifles have not been widely available for some time, although nice unsporterized examples can still be found. The last picture shows an unusual Prince-Smith mark comprised of a large "56" on the socket face. Feedback from the initial service performance at the front (often from prior experienced target shooters) indicated that longer slings with a central mount at the front of the magazine would be preferred. Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 T Sniper Rifle (reproduction). Anyone got a pic of that area on a Long Branch? Sheffield Steel Products of Sheffield, Yorkshire. The socket is fabricated by welding together seven sheet steel stampings, eliminating the socket forging process altogether. 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